The 'Gay Christian' Debate
The Bible, History, Homosexuality, and the 'Gay Revolution'


Dr. Michael Brown vs. Kathy Baldock on Homosexuality and the "Gay Revolution"

Outlasting the Gay Revolution by Michael L. BrownKathy Baldock's Review: Brown is "Lacking Academic Research and Understanding"

About Kathy: I'm a straight Evangelical Christian walking a path with God and striving to follow the examples of Jesus...As recently as 2004, if I had been asked, I believed I wouldn't see any gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people in heaven. Relationship, along with questioning caused me to wonder if what I had been told about the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender communities was accurate....After six years of ministering in this very messy spot in and out of the churches, I became an advocate to the LGBT community for equality and inclusion in conservative Christian churches. I write, speak, educate, listen and dialogue.

Michael Brown's Response: Baldock's Review is "Deceptive"

About Michael: Since coming to faith in 1971 as a 16 year-old, heroin-shooting Jewish rock drummer, Dr. Michael Brown has devoted his life to fostering awakening in the Church, sparking moral and cultural revolution in the society, raising up gospel laborers for the nations, and reaching out to his own Jewish people. He is the host of the nationally syndicated Line of Fire radio broadcast, the president of FIRE School of Ministry, and a professor of Bible and Hebrew studies at several leading seminaries. He has preached in more than 25 nations and is the author of 25 books and numerous scholarly and popular articles. Dr. Brown has debated Jewish rabbis, agnostic professors, and gay activists on radio, TV, and college campuses, and he is widely considered to be the world's foremost Messianic Jewish apologist. 

See also Homosexuality, Christians, and the Bible: A Review of Dr. Brown's Can You Be Gay and Christian? (with much discussion!)


LACKING ACADEMIC RESEARCH AND UNDERSTANDING
by Kathy Baldock / Canyonwalker Connections

Review from Amazon.com

This review is from: Outlasting the Gay Revolution: Where Homosexual Activism Is Really Going and How to Turn the Tide by Dr. Michael Brown

Brown called the last public review I posted on one of his books a "revision" not a review. I expect this one will receive a similar response, in particular when Mr. Brown suggests that his followers en masse dismiss me. (As you do, please engage the CONTENT of this review, thank you.) I am taking the time to post what I realize is a lengthy review: to be a strong counterbalance to Brown's ideology, to alert those who may be tempted to give this book to LGBT persons as a "loving" action, and to expose Brown's poor academic research. Before I address "Outlasting the Gay Revolution," I need to lay some groundwork as to how I approach all books I would term as Christian and anti-gay and anti-trans.

As I wrote in recent review of another what-God-REALLY-says-about-gays book -- with Brown's latest entry as no exception, this genre of books ignore a simple foundational truth. What is referred to in the Bible in each of the passages used to bolster the avalanche of modern anti-gay ideological writing is not homosexuality. What IS examined are biblical passages depicting violent, abusive, lust-filled, same-sex behaviors performed no less than two millennia ago in cultures where the social and sexual status of men and women were entirely different from what we have known in the past 60 to 70 years. All such authors, Brown included, base their entire ideological theology upon the foundational presumption that people have historically participated in same-sex relationships with some semblance to the relational structure we see today. No. Not true. At all.

Until the beginning of the 20th century, gay relationships -- as we know them now: equal status and mutually attracted -- were virtually unknown in ANY previous culture. (What WAS seen was relationship with large power and/or age differentials.) The perception and cultural response to same-sex behavior between males has intractable roots in the social and sexual status of women throughout history. Because same-sex acts placed one male in the submissive, penetrated role of a woman, one male was invariably looked upon as if he were a woman. Until women began to gain minimal upward status in the late 19th century, for a man to be treated sexually as a woman was both shaming and humiliating.

Before about the early 1900s, the sexual interaction between men and younger men or older boys included significant power differentials. The younger, submissive partner took the sexual-social role of a woman -- again, a demeaning position for any male throughout history. It was only as recent as 1879 that Karl Kertbeny first noticed there were men of equal status who were mutually attracted to one another. This newly witnessed notion made slow inroads to American culture. In fact, it was first mentioned in a medical journal in 1911. Before that, if a man was attracted to a male, all was fine in man-land as long as he maintained the dominant role of penetrator. Until this period, people were defined by the role they played in sex, not by the sex of the person to whom they were attracted.

This monumental shift of identifying the sexual roles of people at the start of the 20th century started the transformation of how same-sex relationships came to be viewed. As women rose in status, as cities formed, and as men began to explore sexual attractions, the interaction, which had always been associated with excess, lust and the reduction of one partner to the role of a woman, came to be seen differently. The dynamic began to change in the 1920s; it would have been the first time in history that there was a minimal cultural understanding that people of the same sex were mutually and equally attracted. The word "homosexual" first appeared in an English translation of the Bible in 1946. No theological documents at the time support this shift. This was clearly a cultural response to the 'most perverted sexual act' translators could imagine to insert in the New Testament passages.

In fact, Derrick Sherwin Bailey, an English Anglican theologian, wrote Homosexuality and Western Traditions (1955) in which he closely examined the cultural and legal response to gays. Together with a team of theologians, historians, anthropologists, lawyers, and legislative leaders to study homosexuality and the sodomy laws, Bailey produced a groundbreaking work that should have been the primer for all theological writers after him. But, it was ignored. The conservative American church and authors had been so unconcerned about gays that no one bothered to write a book addressing this most "abominable sin" until LaHaye's The Unhappy Gays in 1978. Gays, while certainly scorned in the culture from the 1930s, were ignored for the most part in Christian writings.

As gays were finally rising out from under cultural and medical oppression in the early 1970s, unfortunately, the conservative religious and political groups merged right around that time in the late 1970s. A smattering from within the unholy alliance saw the polarizing potential the "abominable gays" could have on amassing unregistered and uninvolved conservative voters. And thus the deluge of modern negative conservative writings on homosexuality and faith, followed by gender identity and faith, started. That was a quick overview of modern events. If you ignore them, as Brown does, you are bound to get the rest badly off-kilter.

There is no possibility that the Apostle Paul, or the author of Leviticus, or Deuteronomy, could have had an inkling that over time, with the radical shift in views of women as equals and other social and cultural modifications, people could possibly engage in same-sex sex as a natural, healthy expression of love and mutual attraction. Additionally, the concept of gender identity could not have been more remote in ancient cultures. The same-sexual behavior that biblical authors wrote about was the outcome of violence (Genesis), power dominance and social-sexual dominance (Leviticus and Deuteronomy), and lust and lack of self-control (Romans, 1 Corinthians, and 1 Timothy). And people keep right on comparing yesterday's apples to today's oranges.

The prerequisite of every single anti-gay Christian author, including Brown, is that readers must fully ignore social and medical histories of how we have come to understand the role of women and the progression of human sexuality. Those are some darn big oversights we need to participate in to agree with their findings! EVERY professional medical and mental health organization in the U.S. asserts that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality, though certainly less prevalent than heterosexuality, still, it is a normal, expected variation. These organizations also all agree that attempting to change a person's natural orientation is damaging. How can any truth, especially one presumed from God Himself, come out of such severely flawed foundational presumptions? We are in a new place in history and understanding and are being asked to wrestle with concepts that have emerged over the last half-century, concepts our forefathers in the faith never could have imagined.

Now to "Outlasting the Gay Revolution."

Overall -- Stick to the topic and stop conflating issues. Tweets, Facebook posts, and comments to blog posts do not constitute expert opinions from the other side. It's not all about Brown. Much of the book is devoted to Brown's personal "martyrdom" for the issue. The use of academic resources could give Brown more credibility. These do not include WorldNetDaily, Barbwire or Charisma, or similar echo chambers. (Yes, I read the footnotes too. I find FN quite telling.) Don't build "truths" on assumptions and presumptions.

Specifically, and as briefly as possible, really:

The purpose of this book, we are told is to: "encourage, strengthen, inspire, and inform laying out eight practical principles that will help us outlast the gay revolution, also explaining why, in many ways, the gay revolution has already failed and why it has in itself of its own destruction."

Consistently, as Brown raises each of the points or tells us how destructive "gay activism" is, he quickly follows the threat with a softening comment about the "nicer" gays -- the ones who are presumably not activists. I am not sure where the defining line is between the activists that are destroying all in their path and those who are wanting/demanding equality and dignity. The LGBT couples and families I know who want equal rights and treatment afforded other Americans I would presume are part of the "problem."

Brown also repeatedly alerts the reader that they will now be put in the closet and be called homophobes and bigots. I am an advocate for LGBT equality and you would be hard pressed to find either of those words in my writings. I would most certainly use the term "ill-informed" however. This martyrdom shtick has really played its course. If other people wanting equal rights cause the diminishment of the religious practice of Christians by no longer allowing them to discriminate, well, that is so severely flawed from the first prayer breathed.

Religious liberties and civil rights can co-exist. Sure, you may have to treat LGBT people equally in the marketplace, but my goodness, is that a problem for a Christ follower? Honoring the dignity of others should be emanating naturally from the Jesus team. Brown's recounting of the lifting of homosexuality from the DSM is just too riddled with myth (p. 2 and 3 and in A Queer Thing Happened to America). I cover it in detail in Chapter 4 of my own book, "Walking the Bridgeless Canyon." For the love of God and truth, can we PLEASE move on from the "bullying tactics" narrative?

If you want to understand empathetically the oppression suffered by the gay and trans communities in the US before 1973, reading social, medical, legal and governmental history on LGBT issues from the 1920s through the 1970s should be required research. Sadly, in all the pages of text and footnotes of "Outlasting" this understanding was absent. It is difficult to engage the many problems with Brown's ideology and conclusions when, as I stated, the foundation is so horribly flawed. My notes on the book are extensive.

Some stand outs though are -- Brown recounts the 2011 event when he led Christians into Charlotte Pride "to engage in civil and respectful conversations." He led about 175 people, about 1/4 of them children, NOT 400 (yes, I was sitting right across the street counting and watching as they paraded off to pride.) Yes, the water bottles DID say "Jesus Loves You" AND they, along with the matching red tee shirts and rainbow bracelets handed out, pointed to a reparative therapy site, Exodus International. So the message was actually -- Jesus loves you and He wants you to stop being LGB or T. Now recall please, that EVERY professional medical and mental health organization in the U.S. asserts that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality, and trying to change that, they assert is destructive. So, was this a "loving" action? Apparently Brown thinks so.

I wrote a post about this event on my blog, though I cannot link it here according to rules, it is easily findable. Search "God Has a Better Way" on Canyonwalker Connections. For several chapters of "Outlasting" the moral decay in America is linked to those who are LGBT or those who support those who are LGBT. This is where researching social history would have been an asset to reasoning. Unfortunately, in their absence, presumptions became "truths."

The core event that shifted the sexual and social roles of men and women in America was the feminist movement of the late 1960s. Oh hold on naysayers who would love to put the clamps back on women -- I would suggest reading a few or even one excellent foundational history book about that period of history. ANYTHING by Stephanie Coontz (A Strange Stirring [2011], American Families [2008], Marriage a History [2005], The Way We Never Were [2000], The Way We Really Are [1997]) is well researched and highly respected. Start with her work. Amusingly, a hundred years before the feminist movement, social commentators were predicting the end of marriage and the family unit as the culture shifted from economically based (and sometimes political) to love matches. Again, Coontz gives a wealth of insight on this issue. Quoting 1927 studies done well before women had equality echoes Brown's pervasive lack of understanding of the dramatic cultural shifts caused by women seeking equality in the U.S.

And what is with the term the conservatives keep on yammering on about "sexual anarchy"? Being romantically, emotionally and sexually attracted to the same sex which is NATURAL for a persons' orientation is hardly "anarchy." Anarchy is when things are OUT of order. Again, this seems to be a tough one for Brown to understand. EVERY professional medical and mental health organization in the U.S. asserts that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality. It has been out of order to expect LGBT people to be solely opposite sex attracted -- THAT is anarchy!

My goodness, Principle #3 lays and conflates all sexual immorality to gays. By merely offering the mess up together, it becomes a wonderfully mixed bag laid on the backs of gays. How deceptively convenient?

Principle #4 -- again, read some social history. Marriage was radically redefined in the late 1800s when women started to crawl out of the role of a man's property. THAT was the biggest shift in the definition of marriage in thousands of years of history.

I've written some well thought out posts on marriage, again, easily found on my blog. No one is ending marriage, or erasing husband, wife, mom, dad from vocabulary. We are expanding the right to those who wish to share in it. Why on earth should we deny gay people the benefits of stronger relationships and better protected families? I thought those were GOOD things for societies -- all studies indicate stability is a benefit.

Then there are three pages with a poem from a sperm donor baby turned adult? Come on. There are about three times as many infertile people or those who have problems getting pregnant as there are gay people in the US. And some of those gay people HAVE had children the "natural way." Keep the plight of the hard-to-get-pregnant folks in perspective as the condemnation for "not natural" families are formed.

#5 Gender distinctions -- is it really THAT scary to consider that everyone is not cisgender male or female? Take it up with God; He is the creator. I offer a 78 minute audio chapter on my blogsite giving the latest understanding of sex and gender. It's science and biology and that in my thinking would be God's doing.

Principle #6 -- tell the truth until the lies are dispelled. Believe me, I am TRYING!

Principle #7 -- the God Factor. Psssssst -- pay attention to the LGBT Christian movement. The grace and mercy I see in my gay and trans* brothers and sisters may well be the seed of ushering in a movement of God. This ideology infused political/religious mess of the last 45 years has been the seed of destruction of the church. It is time to end the whorish alliance. Confused? Read Chapters 5-10 in my book. (To address those who WILL say "Oh, she just wants to sell her book." To you I say, I am just as worthy of offering input as is Brown. The major difference is that I do not conveniently ignore history to support my theology or ideology.)

#8 -- Write the Last Chapter. When people come back in a decade or two and order "Outlasting" on Amazon for a penny as part of their research to see how the conservative church got it so wrong and as badly as it has -- "Outlasting" will be part of the record.

If any Christian author refuses to address the subject of the intersection of faith with sexual orientation and gender identity with academic integrity including acknowledging: the cultural shifts in the status of women of many millennia, the progression of understanding and input from experts in human sexuality, the merger of conservative politics and religion since the late 1970s with its destructive impact, each significantly influencing the ability to take an honest look at biblical translations, then why should that author's opinions be respected or influential?

When Christians finally acknowledge the ignorance with which they formulated opinions and doctrine concerning the LGBT community and LGBT Christians in particular, they will then regret the harm they caused resulting from their ignorance. Ethical reflection of such ignorance WILL come as it did on issues of women and civil rights for people of color. Brown's writings will hold an embarrassing place in that legacy.

I gave the book 2 stars rather than 1 because any book project requires work; I do not dismiss such efforts.

See more from Kathy Baldock / Canyonwalker Connections

Walking the Bridgeless Canyon: Repairing the Breach Between the Chruch and LGBT Community by Kathy Baldock


EXPOSING A DECEPTIVE BOOK REVIEW
by Dr. Michael Brown

When someone takes the time to read one of my books and write a lengthy review, when possible, I do my best to respond. And when the reviewer is passionate about his or her work and claims to be living for Jesus, all the more do I want to interact.

In this case, the reviewer, Kathy Baldock, also known as Canyonwalker, has often been called my online stalker, as she once posted a 5,000 word "review" of one of my other books (her most recent one is close to 3,000 words), as she frequently challenges others who post reviews to my books, and as she has actually been banned from at least one website where I post articles because of her constant attacks and critiques. She even stated once on social media that God had appointed her to oppose me (seriously!), but as deceived as she is, I believe she is sincere (many people think they're doing God's will and are actually working against Him), so for her sake and the sake of those who follow her, I've written this expose of her deceptive review of Outlasting the Gay Revolution.

You can see Kathy's true feelings by comparing the title of her review on Amazon, "Lacking academic research and understanding" with the title of this same review posted on her website: "Michael Brown's 'Outlasting the Gay Revolution' Continues His Non-Academic Anti-Gay Rantings." So much for Kathy approaching things in an honest, even-handed way. (Ironically, Kathy has no serious academic credentials of her own yet freely speaks as an authority. Let the reader beware.)

Before getting into the contents of Outlasting the Gay Revolution, Kathy makes the ludicrous and unsupportable claim that the Bible never condemns what we know as homosexuality today. She writes, "What IS examined are biblical passages depicting violent, abusive, lust-filled, same-sex behaviors performed no less than two millennia ago in cultures where the social and sexual status of men and women were entirely different from what we have known in the past 60 to 70 years."

Yes, she claims, "The same-sexual behavior that biblical authors wrote about was the outcome of violence (Genesis), power dominance and social-sexual dominance (Leviticus and Deuteronomy), and lust and lack of self-control (Romans, 1 Corinthians, and 1 Timothy)."

To the contrary -- and I speak with authority on this as a biblical scholar -- the Word categorically prohibits all homosexual relationships, and what God spoke of in His Word millennia ago was as radically countercultural as it is today. I document this carefully (and with great care) in my book Can You Be Gay and Christian? annotating each position in detail and treating all relevant scriptures.

In short, Kathy's ideological and theological foundation, that which fuels the fire of her gay-affirming activism, is spiritually and scripturally bankrupt.

Kathy next takes considerable space to outline contemporary LGBT history, claiming, "That was a quick overview of modern events. If [you] ignore them, as Brown does, you are bound to get the rest badly off-kilter." In point of fact, I do not ignore this history. Instead, I've amassed a large library of books and articles on modern gay history, studying them with great interest and even citing two major, gay- celebrating histories in the beginning of my new book to make this very point: I'm quite conversant with this story. Let anyone who thinks for a moment that I have ignored this go through the 17-page, detailed bibliography of books used in my 2011 study A Queer Thing Happened to America.

I'm 100% aware of everything that Kathy stated; I simply reject her point of view, since it is based on turning God's intent for marriage and family upside down. This, again, is part of the deceptive nature of her review: She attributes differences of opinion, based on years (or, in some cases decades) of careful and prayerful study, to "ignorance" or "lack of research" or "lack of understanding." If these charges are true, they are true of Kathy's work, not mine.

Finally, before getting into the contents of my book, she writes, "EVERY professional medical and mental health organization in the U.S. asserts that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality, though certainly less prevalent than heterosexuality, still, it is a normal, expected variation. These organizations also all agree that attempting to change a person's natural orientation is damaging."

This too is deceptive, and for two reasons: 1) There is documented, demonstrable bias in these major organizations, a bias so deep that it excludes research and input from those who differ with the gay-affirming conclusions. Watch this video featuring a lifelong liberal psychologist (who supports gay "marriage"), highly respected for decades, explain the nature of this bias. 2) The attack on attempts to change sexual orientation are based on highly biased research, and even then, the conclusions do not match what Kathy has written. I document this in the chapter, "The Stifling of Scientific Debate" in A Queer Thing Happened to America.

Moving to her attack on my book, she writes, "Much of the book is devoted to Brown's personal 'martyrdom' for the issue."

This is either an outright lie or, if Kathy really believes it, a highly deceptive statement. The truth is that a few times in the book, I mention some of the verbal abuse I've experienced as a follower of Jesus standing for marriage and family, also describing one incident where colleges sought to ban open debate, but that's it. And I'm careful to distinguish these minor things from real suffering for the gospel -- I have had to bury one of our ministry school grads who was martyred by Islamic terrorists and I have washed the feet of a martyr's widow during one of my annual ministry trips to India, where my life was also threatened by militant Hindus. Kathy again does a real disservice to potential readers by bearing false witness about the book, something that is hardly "Christian."

She continues, "The use of academic resources could give Brown more credibility. These do not include WorldNetDaily, Barbwire or Charisma, or similar echo chambers. (Yes, I read the footnotes too. I find FN quite telling.)"

Once again, this is deceptive. In A Queer Thing Happened to America and Can You Be Gay and Christian? I provided detailed academic research (the former book with 1,500 endnotes, the latter book based on decades of biblical scholarship), but I still received the same scorn from Kathy. In the current book, which deals primarily with contemporary issues and our response to them, I cite many news sites, including The New York Times and numerous others, also referencing conservative sites like WND and Charisma, sometimes simply linking to my articles there.

In that regard, the book is carefully and accurately annotated (almost 40 pages of endnotes for about 235 pages of text), it is based on lots of research, and when sociological or historical issues are discussed, I'm careful to provide solid bibliographical data. Once more, Kathy is deceiving her readers.

She next disputes my claim that as a result of the rise of gay activism, conservative believers will be called homophobes and bigots, making clear that she would never use terminology like that. Well, how about referring to my book as "anti-gay rantings"? Does that qualify? And what of the veritable flood of defamatory, vile, profane, ugly, and even threatening comments I get from LGBT's and their advocates on a daily basis? Are these simply coming out of thin air?

Kathy claims that, "Brown's recounting of the lifting of homosexuality from the DSM is just too riddled with myth. I cover it in detail in Chapter 4 of my own book, 'Walking the Bridgeless Canyon.' For the love of God and truth, can we PLEASE move on from the 'bullying tactics' narrative?"

This too is as false as can be, as documented in the aforementioned chapter on "The Stifling of Scientific Debate," which cites extensively from the authoritative volume on the subject, written by Ronald Bayer and published by Princeton University Press, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry. But there's more: I never even mention this in Outlasting the Gay Revolution, so what is she attacking?

And since she mentioned her book, I should mention that I have reached out to Kathy several times, offering to meet with her face to face, offering to talk with her privately by phone, and even inviting her onto my radio show to discuss her book. She has refused every invitation to date. Let the truth be known.

In her "review," Kathy disputes details of fact which I mention, relying on her own observations as opposed to eyewitness accounts of several hundred others. But to give one small example of her false statements, she claims that at our 2011 outreach at the Charlotte gay pride event that we "pointed to a reparative therapy site, Exodus International. So the message was actually -- Jesus loves you and He wants you to stop being LGB or T."

Once again, she is bearing false witness, either intentionally (called lying) or unintentionally (which is still dangerous). We put up our own site filled with words of love and encouragement, answers to scriptural questions, and testimonies from some ex-gays, presenting Jesus as the better way. It was not an Exodus International site nor did it have any connection to "reparative therapy." And Kathy is presenting herself as a reliable witness? Do you see why I have branded her "review" deceptive? As for Jesus calling people out of homosexuality, of course He does this all the time. After all, He's the Savior! (Check out the video testimonies of 225 ex-gays here.)

She claims that, "For several chapters of 'Outlasting,' the moral decay in America is linked to those who are LGBT or those who support those who are LGBT."

That is not an accurate statement. Instead, I demonstrate that the acceptance of homosexual practice is part and parcel of our larger decline into sexual anarchy, by which I mean more and more cohabitation, more and more people having kids out of wedlock, more and more pornography, more and more acceptance of polygamy and polyamory, more and more children sexting each other, more and more celebration of "swinging" and of nude reality TV shows, etc. This is presented both anecdotally and statistically, but for Kathy, because it's natural for homosexuals to be attracted to the same sex, their actions are moral and acceptable and cannot be part of the larger moral decline of the culture. Apparently, she doesn't recognize the massive blind spots in her argument.

But it gets worse from here. She makes no substantive comment on the lengthy Introduction, "The Day the Line Was Crossed," in which real issues of religious freedom are raised; no comment on the first chapter (one of 8 major principles laid out in the book), "Never Compromise Your Convictions," in which we document how gay activists have become bullies (even to the consternation of some other gay activists); no comment on the second chapter, "Take the Highest Moral Ground," in which I call on the readers to live a life of sacrificial love for LGBT people in the midst of our differences; then she devotes just 465 words to very limited interaction with the rest of the book, underscoring again that this was more an example of "anti-Michael Brown rantings" than an actual book review.

She claims that the third principle, "Sexual Purity Trumps Sexual Anarchy" actually "lays and conflates all sexual immorality to gays." That is a blatant misrepresentation, and the chapter says no such thing. Rather, while frequently pointing to heterosexual sins and while acknowledging that there are loving gay couples, I simply place gay sex in the context of the larger sexual revolution, as stated in the previous paragraph.

As for the fourth principle, "Refuse to Redefine Marriage," she claims gays aren't redefining it, nor are they tampering with words like husband and wife (really?). Instead, Kathy states, the radical redefinition of marriage took place in the late 1880's. Again, we are supposed to take this seriously and ignore both the God-ordained definition of marriage in Genesis 2 and Matthew 19 as well as the mountain of contemporary data that refutes her position. And despite her constant claims of compassion, she dismisses scornfully the moving poem of the child of an anonymous sperm donor. Just reading the poem, followed by Kathy's dismissal of it, says it all.

She has nothing constructive to say about the fifth principle, which calls on us to celebrate gender distinctions, completely ignoring the assault on these God-ordained distinctions that is ravaging our social order. And rather than interacting with the gay activist lies exposed in the sixth principle, she simply claims that her review is exposing my lies. Pity those who follow Kathy rather than take the time to do the research for themselves!

As for the seventh principle, "Factor in the God Factor," she wrongly claims that the evidence is on her side in terms of the "gay Christian" movement, failing to realize that around the world, almost all of the vibrant, growing, Jesus-loving churches stand against homosexual practice while the churches in America that are embracing it are, with overwhelming regularity, in numerical decline.

Finally, addressing my last principle, which calls on believers to stand firm for the long-term, multi-generational haul and write the last chapter of the story, she writes, "When people come back in a decade or two and order 'Outlasting' on Amazon for a penny as part of their research to see how the conservative church got it so wrong and as badly as it has -- 'Outlasting' will be part of the record."

Well, the good news is that my book is out (among others that are relevant) and so is hers, and time will speak for itself. What is fascinating, though, is that at the time of this writing, we have completely sold out of all copies of A Queer Thing Happened to America, despite a healthy initial printing, and the e-books have done very well too (thanks be to God), while the more I have addressed these issues with grace and truth, the more my ministry platform has increased. That's why I say in Outlasting the Gay Revolution, you can mock my words today, but you'll mark my words tomorrow. Could it be that I (and others) are honoring God and His Word and His ways, leading to greater blessing and more effective outreach? She might point to her success as well, so I'm happy to let God be the ultimate, since this is not a personal battle but rather a battle for God's best for the people He created and for this nation.

For the moment we can be sure of this: Those who read Kathy's review before reading my book will be in for quite a shock, since the book they'll read bears almost no resemblance to the book she "reviewed." Please take a moment to go to her review and mark it as helpful or unhelpful, and then take a look at the other reviews and let the reviewers know if you find their reviews helpful or unhelpful. (I ask you to do this because of the dishonesty of some internet trolls who frequent our pages.) And once you've had a chance to read Outlasting the Gay Revolution, please take a moment to post your own review on Amazon.

And Kathy, my door remains open to interact in private or in public, and you're welcome to come on my radio show and present your position. I truly believe that you really do care about LGBT individuals and that you feel you're doing God's will, and my goal remains to help you, not hurt you, since grace without truth is not grace at all.

Dr. Michael Brown

See more at Dr. Michael Brown's blog

See also The Bible, Tradition, and Catechism on Homosexuality, Sexual Morality, and Marriage


Books by Dr. Michael Brown and others on this issue:

Can You Be Gay and Christian? by Michael L. Brown   Outlasting the Gay Revolution by Michael L. Brown   A Queer Thing Happened to America by Michael L. Brown   God and the Gay Christian by Matthew Vines   Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays vs. Christians Debate by Justin Lee

See also these scholarly books and debates on the subject:

The Abolition of Marriage: How We Destroy Lasting Love
by Maggie Gallagher (Regnery Publishing, 1996)

The Case for Marriage: Why Married People are Happier, Healthier and Better Off Financially
by Linda Waite and Maggie Gallagher (Broadway Books, 2001)

The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
by Robert A.J. Gagnon (Abingdon Press, 2002)

Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views
by Robert A.J. Gagnon and Dan O. Via (Fortress Press, 2003)

Debating Same-Sex Marriage (Point/Counterpoint)
by John Corvino and Maggie Gallagher (Oxford Univ Press, 2012)

What Is Marriage?: Man and Woman: A Defense
by Sherif Girgis, Ryan Anderson, Robert George (Encounter Books, 2012)

Redeeming the Dream: The Case for Marriage Equality
by David Boies and Theodore B. Olson (Viking, 2014)


Back to Philosophy Articles

Back to Home Page

About | Apologetics | Philosophy | Spirituality | Books | Audio | Links