David Cloud Answered

Catholic Teachings in the Bible


I was bored and needed an article for my website, so I saw an amateur apologetic website and found an amateur article. My answers will be in black . Mr. David Cloud challenges:

Following are some hard huts for these Catholic apologists to chew on. My challenge is this:

SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE THESE PROMINENT CATHOLIC TEACHINGS ARE FOUND.

Where in the Bible do we find Peter assuming and exercising the role of a Catholic pope?


Acts 1:15-26 says,

"During those days Peter stood up in the midst of his brothers (there was a group of about one hundred and twenty persons in the one place). He said, "My brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke beforehand through the mouth of David, concerning Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus. He was numbered among us and was allotted a share in this ministry. He bought a parcel of land with wages of his iniquity, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and his insides spilled out. This became known to everyone who lived in Jerusalem, so that the parcel of land was called in their language "Akeldama" that is, Field of Blood. For it is written in the Book of Psalms: 'Let his encampment become desolate and may no one dwell in it.' And: 'May another take his office.' Therefore it is necessary that one of men who accompanied us the whole time Lord Jesus came and went among us, beginning from baptism of John until the day on which he was taken up from us, become with us a witness to his resurrection." So they proposed two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was also known as Justus, and Matthias. Then they prayed, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away to go to his own place." Then they gave lots to them, and the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was counted with the eleven apostles."

We see that Peter had to instruct the Church to replace Judas. He also decided along with the Apostles who to choose. This is one example of an action of the Catholic Pope. The Pope makes bishops. The word for "office" is translated into Episcopal. As William Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich says it is a "position or office of an overseer (Num 4:16) of Judas' position as an apostle esp. the office of a bishop" (A Greek-Lexicon, 299 as cited by Steve Ray, Upon This Rock).

Where does the Bible say the early churches treated Peter in a papal fashion? 

I don't exactly know what you mean by papal fashion, but if you are looking for "papal fashion" like today, there isn't. Of course, that doesn't mean they didn't respect Peter as the head. One example is Galatians 2:11-14. Some might say this disproves Papal Infallibility, but it shows how Paul called Peter Cephas. No where in Paul's or anyone's letters is Peter called by his born-given name. So by saying Cephas instead of Simon, they are showing Peter respect. Also, in Acts 12:6-11 Peter is freed from jail by an angel. He is the first object of divine intervention in the early Church.

Where does the Bible say that one man is the head of all churches?

Everyone agrees that Jesus is the head of the Church. Since Jesus, who is King, cannot rule visibly, He appoints Peter as the Head over the Household (Matthew 16:19). Peter, the steward, therefore has the same authority as the King, hence head of the Church or Kingdom. A Steward would be something like a Prime Minister today, and the Prime Minister is usually the head.

Where does the Bible say God established a special priesthood for the churches that is separate from the priesthood of the believers? Where does the Bible describe the office of such priests in the early churches?

Mark 14:17,20; Luke 22:14 shows how Jesus ordained the Apostles only, and separate from the others. 
Acts 15:6,23; 1 Tim 4:14, 5:22; 1 Tim 5:17; Tit 1:5-6; James 5:13-15 ...presbyters/elders (priests) were ordained, preached and taught the flock, administered sacraments.

Where does the Bible say that New Testament priests are ordained after the order of Melchizedek? 

Jesus was of the order of Melchizedek, and He ordained the Apostles. :0)

Where in the Bible do we find a requirement that pastors be celibate?

It doesn't, but the Church has the authority to make disciplines (Matthew 16:19, 18:18).
Celibacy is found in Mt 19:12; 1 Cor 7:6-7; 1 Cor 7:25-26; 1 Cor 7:32-34.

Where does the Bible say the apostles passed on their authority through a succession? Where does the Bible give standards for apostolic succession? There are standards for pastors and deacons, but where are the standards for an ongoing apostleship?

Acts 14:23 They appointed presbyters (priests) for them in each church, also 1 Tim 5:19-22; Titus 1:5 episcopacy (bishops) Acts 1:15-26; 2 Tim 2:2; Tit 1:5 shows that the priests and bishops have an unbroken succession.

Where does the Bible describe nuns in the early churches?

1 Corinthians 7:25-40 tells how people should consecrate themselves to Christ other than marrying. 

Where in the Bible do we find anyone praying to Mary or to any other person other than God?

Rev 8:3 and 5:8 speaks of saints praying for us. It also speaks of the "prayer of the saints" meaning the people on earth prayed to them. 

Where does the Bible call Mary the Mother of God?

Luke 1:43 tells how Elizabeth called Mary the Mother of my Lord. The Greek word for Lord is kyrios which is a transliteration of the Hebrew word Adonai. 

Where does the Bible say that Mary is the Queen of Heaven?

The queen of the King is the mother. One example is 2 Kings 10:13 he came across kinsmen of Ahaziah, king of Judah. "Who are you?" he asked. "We are kinsmen of Ahaziah," they replied. "We are going down to visit the princes and the family of the queen mother." 14 "Take them alive," Jehu ordered. They were taken alive, forty- two in number, then slain at the pit of Beth-eked. Not one of them was spared.

1 Kings 15:9-13 and Jeremiah 13:18 speaks of Queen Mothers as well. 

Since Jesus is the King, then Mary would be the queen.

Where in the Bible do we find the teaching that Mary is sinless? 

One place is Luke 1:28 where Mary is said to be "full of grace". The core of the Greek word is kecharitomene meaning perfectly, endowed with grace. Also, this is a parallel to Judith 13:18 where it says God guided Mary from Satan. 

Where in the Bible do we find the baptism of an infant who is too young to believe in Christ?

Matthew 18:14 In just the same way, it is not the will of your heavenly Father that one of these little ones be lost. Acts 16:16 also speak of a household being baptized. The Greek word for household included all of the family members and it includes infants. 

Where does the Bible teach us that the church can identify dead people as saints and can then pray to them?

Rev 8:3 and 5:8

Where does the Bible teach that a dead person can intercede for the living?

Luke 16:19-31

"There was a rich man who dressed in purple garments and fine linen and dined sumptuously each day. 20 And lying at his door was a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who would gladly have eaten his fill of the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. Dogs even used to come and lick his sores. 22 When the poor man died, he was carried away by angels to the bosom of Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and from the netherworld, where he was in torment, he raised his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he cried out, `Father Abraham, have pity on me. Send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering torment in these flames.' 25 Abraham replied, `My child, remember that you received what was good during your lifetime while Lazarus likewise received what was bad; but now he is comforted here, whereas you are tormented. 26 Moreover, between us and you a great chasm is established to prevent anyone from crossing who might wish to go from our side to yours or from your side to ours.' 27 He said, `Then I beg you, father, send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they too come to this place of torment.' 29 But Abraham replied, `They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.' 30 He said, `Oh no, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.' 31 Then Abraham said, `If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.'"

We see here that the rich man is trying to intercede for his family.

Where does the Bible teach about purgatory?

1 Corinthians 3:15 speak of being saved but through fire. The term fire means purification (also 1 Peter 1:6-9). 

Where does the Bible teach that churches should use the bones of dead men in any type of religious manner?

2 Kg 13:20-21 speak of Elisha's bones being used.

Where does the Bible teach that the churches used indulgences?

In Sirach 3:29, we read, "Water quenches a flaming fire, and alms atone for sins." We see here how a good work can offset the consequences of sin after God had already taken away its guilt. 

Another place is 2 Corinthians 2:5-10; 6-10.

Where in the Bible do we find even one example of a Catholic mass being conducted or even described? If Christ established the mass and if it is central to the Christian faith as Rome claims, why is there not one example of it in the book of Acts and the New Testament epistles?

Acts 20:7 speaks of "breaking of the bread". This means what has happened at the Last Supper, which was a Passover sacrifice, and so we would know it was similar to it. Also, Revelation speaks of great detail on Christian worship. A good book would be "The Lamb's Supper" by Scott Hahn.

Where in the Bible do we find Christians taking the Lord's supper by partaking of the bread alone without the wine or grape juice?

We don't. The Catholic Church always partake with wine. 

Where in the Bible does Paul or any of the early church leaders teach that there are seven sacraments?

Baptism Matt 3:13-17; John 3:5,22; Matt 28:19; 1 Peter 3:18-22; Titus 3:5; Luke 3:3; Gal 3:27; Mark 16:16; Acts 22:16; Acts 2:38-39; Rom 6:3-5; Luke 7:30

Penance John 20:22-23; Matt 16:18-19; Matt 18:18; 2 Cor 5:17-20; Luke 15:11-32

Eucharist Mark 14:22-25; Matt 26:26; 1 Cor 11:23-30; John 6:4, 51-68; Heb 10:25-31

Confirmation Acts 8:14-17; Heb 6:1-2; Matt 10:32-33; Acts 19:1; Acts 2:1-4

Marriage Gen 1:27-28; Gen 2:21-24; Eph 5:25, 31-32; Heb 13:4; John 2:1-12

Holy Orders Acts 2:1-4; Acts 1:21-26; Luke 24:44-51; 2Tim 1:6; Tim 4:14; Tim 5:22

Anointing of the Sick James 5:14-15; Mark 6:13

Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing the sacrament of confirmation?

Confirmation Acts 8:14-17; Heb 6:1-2; Matt 10:32-33; Acts 19:1; Acts 2:1-4

Where in the Bible do we find the churches practicing any sort of extreme unction or last rites as a sacrament?

Anointing of the Sick James 5:14-15; Mark 6:13

Where in the Bible do we find the prayer of the rosary?

The Hail Mary

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Luke 1:29 "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you." (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee)

Luke 1:38 "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb." (blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus)

1 Corinthians 7:34 "An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit." (Holy Mary)

Luke 2:6-7 "6 While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn son." (Mother of God)

2 Corinthians 1:11 "as you help us with prayer, so that thanks may be given by many on our behalf for the gift granted us through the prayers of many." (pray for us sinners now)

Matthew 10:22 "but whoever endures to the end will be saved". (and at the hour of our death. Amen.)

I don't think you would disagree with me on the Lord's Prayer, Glory Be, and the Apostle's Creed, but if you do, then tell me :0)

Where in the Bible do we find that New Testament churches are to conduct elaborate rituals and ceremonies after the fashion of Rome?

The book of Revelation speaks of it all. Read Scott Hahn's book if you are really interested. 

Where in the Bible do we find that the headquarters for the church is to be in Rome?

Since Peter and Paul were there, it is where the early Church grew up respecting that place. Rome was a place where many martyrs died. A good place where you can understand about the Magisterium is The Catechism of the Catholic Church

These are NOT the best responses. These are just short answers. If David Cloud would want to discuss on a specific topic, I would love to debate with him on it.

LET THIS BE AN OPEN INVITATION TO AN EMAIL DEBATE!

A.L.

AVBCL111@aol.com 


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